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Post by spirit on Jul 30, 2006 17:33:50 GMT -5
Downwind start to Falkners, around middleground then home. Good
Start a cruising fleet of one, different.
Start 3 fleets together, questionable.
Change 3 fleets to 1 midrace, wrong.
Should be a GREAT fleet next year.
Is this legal/normal/acceptable?
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Post by eight on Jul 31, 2006 8:55:57 GMT -5
There was never more then one class on the scratch sheet. The RC told each boat before the start that there would be only 1 classs.
There was only 1 non spinnaker boat that signed up.
It is too bad more people don't participate, then they wouldn't have to run the race with only one class.
The RC did a good job, sent us around with the current which made for a fast race even with the wind being light.
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Post by spirit on Jul 31, 2006 11:33:38 GMT -5
there were 3 classes on the latest scratch sheet. Check windjammers site(till they change it). I heard one start before the race not one class. Makes no sense racing slow boat against fast boats that finish before the breeze shuts off. They didnt have to run the race with one class as it was.
I agree the course was the right one.
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Post by John Crissey on Aug 1, 2006 20:32:40 GMT -5
There seems to be some confusion with the reporting of the RC personnel assignments on this race. I have been improperly reported as being the PRO, (Primary Race Officer) when in fact my assignment that day was the Signaller, (Display and remove flags)
Hope you all had a great race.
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Post by Todd Smith on Aug 2, 2006 10:06:10 GMT -5
It was a lot of fun, I was pretty impressed there was a boat on station, when we came in just before sunrise.
I assume that after the start the RC went home, then came back out to finish us.
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Post by eight on Aug 2, 2006 13:37:57 GMT -5
The overnight race results seem to change everyday. A three boat fleet is a complete waste of time and money. The scratch sheet I printed on Friday night listed one class. If I knew it changed I would have stay home.
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Post by jonathanmix on Aug 3, 2006 9:07:06 GMT -5
what's next for the officers or powers that be of wsc,to field phone calls from the racers mid-race and change the classes to their liking on the fly?
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Post by ktisdall on Aug 14, 2006 15:21:00 GMT -5
there were 3 classes on the latest scratch sheet. Check windjammers site(till they change it). I heard one start before the race not one class. Makes no sense racing slow boat against fast boats that finish before the breeze shuts off. They didnt have to run the race with one class as it was. I agree the course was the right one. Jim, If you look at the recent Duck I Overnight Scratch sheet you'll see 9 boats on it in one class. Secret sailed against a Pearson 30. That's how ECSA wants it apparently. I don't care for the sarcasm being vented here. Until you guys start volunteering to organize and run these races I think you could cut us some slack. --Kevin |
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Post by spirit on Aug 14, 2006 19:34:31 GMT -5
there were 3 classes on the latest scratch sheet. Check windjammers site(till they change it). I heard one start before the race not one class. Makes no sense racing slow boat against fast boats that finish before the breeze shuts off. They didn't have to run the race with one class as it was. I agree the course was the right one. Jim, If you look at the recent Duck I Overnight Scratch sheet you'll see 9 boats on it in one class. Secret sailed against a Pearson 30. That's how ECSA wants it apparently. I don't care for the sarcasm being vented here. Until you guys start volunteering to organize and run these races I think you could cut us some slack. --Kevin Kevin it was about facts not sarcasm. If you insist I will recap. Fact 1: I was handed a scratch sheet from the committee boat showing 3 classes. Fact 2: It was scored as one fleet. The questions were warranted (obviously, but you want slack). Complaining is no fun. It was done because of a perceived inequity. If you have a problem with me or anything I have said or done, I suggest you call me and we can discuss it. Scolding on the internet wont do it. I was tired, and incredibly annoyed to see the finish scored as one fleet. Yes in retrospect I could have waited but I didn't and so be it. I thought the windjammers officers were responsible for organizing and running ecsa/windjammer races? I'm not an officer, nor will I be one anytime real soon, but I will forego racing to help. Say the word. I volunteered for the first thursday night like I have done the past two years and was told Larry always does first night. News to me but I offered. More importantly Kevin, I would have, and fully planned, to race one fleet no problem. Without expectation of doing well, but still done it just for fun, much like Don. I didn't change it to 3 fleets. To our delight, YOU guys did, so the duck island thing is moot. |
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Post by jonathanmix on Aug 15, 2006 17:35:59 GMT -5
I have a question.Was Kevin entered or particpating in the race when the classes were changed?
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Post by ktisdall on Aug 16, 2006 13:03:11 GMT -5
The listing of the finish times on one list on the web was mistake as far as I know. The FINAL scores were set up in three classes and remain that way, and they were marked as such. There was no announced deadline for when the final scores would be posted. Only that awards would be given in December.
The questions are not warranted as presented. Your sarcasm shows a lack of understanding of what happend from the RC and Fleet Captain end of things. I continue to think that is extremely unfair.
There are plenty of other Thursday nights available to you for hosting RC. Please contact Steve if you want to sign up.
Jonathan -
I was sailing on Bruce's boat Secret. The "A" class boats wanted the change to one fleet due to low participation. The "A" fleet was supposed to be 4 boats but one didn't show up. So we asked (over the water) for John Nevin to announce a change to one class one start. The announcement was made via vhf before the announcement window closed per the sailing instructions. RC put up a "come within hail" signal to continue to make the announcement. Apparently the announcement was misunderstood or not executed propely and some thought it was one class and some thought it was three. I did not hear the full announcement nor do I know first hand what was going on on the RC boat.
Since I was on Bruce's boat I have not voted on any decisions that were made about the outcome. In fact I was away from Sunday afternoon the day after the finish until the following Sunday. I did take part in the discussions and I support WSC's decision.
--Kevin
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Post by spirit on Aug 16, 2006 19:29:41 GMT -5
The questions are not warranted as presented. Your sarcasm shows a lack of understanding of what happend from the RC and Fleet Captain end of things. I continue to think that is extremely unfair. --Kevin Kevin I know exactly what happened. Don't preach to me. |
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Post by TENSPEED on Aug 16, 2006 20:39:40 GMT -5
Kevin,
Are you on the membership committee?
Nick
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Post by ktisdall on Aug 21, 2006 10:19:22 GMT -5
What membership committee? I'm not on any that I know of. Nor do we have one in particular.
--Kevin
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